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[ARServer 6.5] Workflow Challenge

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Background:
Our security admin group uses ARS to add users to groups.  So in essence, we don't use any "self request" of access, but rather access changes are made by a 3rd party employee.

* I wish to use ARS approval workflows. 
* Currently, I initiate the action based on Changes to the Groups property: "members"

I need two approvals for this action:

* first the approval from the manager of the user being added.
* Second the approval of the owner/manager of the group the user is being added to.
* I need them approved in THAT order, as the 2nd won't approve the request unless the former has already approved, so want to keep these in the same workflow. 

Question:
I am able to identify how to do the second with "manager of operation target object" - the manager of the group gets a request for approval.

I cannot however, figure out how to get the manager of the user being added.

Any help would awesome.



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